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Connection of heat pump with PV system

Priyanka — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 14:07:51 GMT

We have "Vitocaldens 222-F HAWB-AC 222.A29" heat pump system.

In our pursuit to activate "Operating State 3 (use of surplus PV energy)" of the smart grid for this heat pump, we aim to establish a connection between the PV system and the heat pump via relay switching contact. We did come across a mention of achieving a similar outcome through an energy meter. Consequently, I have a few questions:

Is it possible to establish the required contact via relay, and if so, could you kindly guide me to the relevant information on this option?
If the only available option is through an energy meter, could you clarify whether it must be a Viessmann energy meter or if compatibility exists with other energy meters in the market?
Additionally, is it feasible to obtain information about the heat pump's activities, (e.g. Own energy consumption is active), directly from our gateway?

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 14:24:51 GMT

Hello Vyavahare_Priyanka,

the SmartGrid function can be executed directly on the heat pump control via contacts 216.1 (B) or 216.4 (A). This is controlled via a separate contactor, which establishes a potential-free contact between X3.1 and 216.1 (B) or 216.4 (A).

Note:
- If Smart Grid is connected to the two digital inputs on the basic circuit board ("Enable Smart Grid 7E80" on "4"), the external connection for the heating/cooling circuits must not be switched on ("Remote control 2003" on "2"). Otherwise Smart Grid is not active.
- The electric supply company block is included in the Smart Grid range of functions. Therefore, in this case, the electric supply company block signal must not be connected to connections X3.6 and X3.7.

The functions that can be executed via these are as follows:

■ No contact closed: Heat pump is in normal operation

■ Contact (A) closed: electric supply company block
- Compressor OFF
- Heating water instantaneous water heater can be switched on ("Output for heating water instantaneous water heater with electric supply company block 790A").

Contact (B) closed: Operation of the heat pump with adjusted temperature setpoints for various functions. The changes are set with the following parameters:
- DHW heating: "Smart Grid setpoint increase for DHW heating 7E91"
- Buffer tank heating: "Smart Grid setpoint increase for heating water buffer tank 7E92"

- Room heating: "Smart Grid setpoint increase for room temperature heating 7E93"
- Room cooling: "Smart Grid setpoint reduction for room temperature cooling 7E95"

- The compressor only switches on when required. The valid switch-on conditions for the respective function must be fulfilled. A time phase must be active in the time program for the respective function.
- The adjusted temperature setpoints have no effect on the auxiliary heaters. The additional heaters are switched off at the limits that apply without Smart Grid.

■ Contact (A) and (B) closed: The system components are heated to the set max. temperatures or cooled to the minimum temperatures. The compressor switches on
on immediately, even if no time phase is active in the time program.
Max. Temperatures for various functions:
- DHW heating: "Max. DHW temperature 6006"
- Buffer tank heating: "Max. buffer tank temperature 7204"
- Room heating: "Max. flow temperature heating circuit 200E"
- Room cooling: "Min. flow temperature cooling 7103"

- The heating water instantaneous water heater may be switched on to reach the max. temperatures. The max. level can be set ("Smart Grid release electric heating 7E82").

- The max. temperature setpoints have no influence on the other auxiliary heaters, e.g. external heat generators. The auxiliary heaters are switched off at the limits that apply without the Smart Grid.
- The system components are heated or cooled one after the other according to the defined priorities, e.g. domestic hot water heating before room heating.
- The "Switch-off limit heat pump bivalent operation 7B0F" is shifted to -30 °C so that the heat pump remains in operation even at low outside temperatures.

For the PV function of the system, a 3-phase Modbus energy meter is required, which can be obtained from us. However, the meter can only be used if no battery storage is included in the system. Data for the PV energy meter can be read out via the Vitogate.

Best regards
Flo

Betreff: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Priyanka — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 14:29:35 GMT

To clarify, the way to utilize excess PV energy for the operation of the heat pump is specifically through a 3-phase Modbus energy meter, rather than setting up a relay contact.

Re: Betreff: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Fri, 01 Dec 2023 11:20:32 GMT

No, you can of course also use the Smart Grid contact I described.

Best regards
Flo

Betreff: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Priyanka — Fri, 01 Dec 2023 11:32:36 GMT

To utilize self-generated electricity, it is necessary to connect floating contact 2 (216.4) to the X3.1 terminal. Simultaneously, temperature adjustments can be made within the "Photovoltaic" settings available in the control panel. Kindly confirm whether my understanding is accurate. Additionally, could you explain the role of the 3-phase energy meter in this process?

Re: Betreff: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 10:41:12 GMT

Smart Grid and the PV function are two completely different things.

For Smart Grid, use the explanation I gave in my first post. The 3-phase Modbus energy meter is required for the PV function. However, this can only be used if the PV system does not have battery storage.

Best regards
Flo

Re: Betreff: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Priyanka — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 14:04:50 GMT

Thank you for the clarification. I have one more question. Can we connect to the heat pump via our gateway through the Modbus? And what are the specifications of the Modbus? Also, could you please explain the highlighted point in the picture in the context of "utilization of power generated on site."

Re: Betreff: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Tue, 05 Dec 2023 07:05:10 GMT

The highlighted point only indicates that both can be used in parallel and that the higher setpoint value counts. A Vitogate 300 can be used to access this.

Best regards
Flo

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

HdB_ST_57a — Fri, 07 Jun 2024 08:42:36 GMT

Hallo Herr Schneider,

I have a VITOCALL 200S system and a Fronius GEN 24 Inverter.

And I have this small connection schema from Fronius :

Can you advise which connectors represent the "K4" and "K3" boxes (circled on the picture below) on the Viessmann connection board ?

Perhaps the : 216.1 (B) or 216.4 (A) ?

And if so does this mean , I only have to connection a small wire between the relaix and and the Viessmann board ? Like in the attached schema ?

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Mon, 10 Jun 2024 07:31:11 GMT

Hello HdB_ST_57a,

yes, you could use it to perform Smart Grid function 3 by closing contacts 216.1 and X3.1.

Best regards
Flo

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

HdB_ST_57a — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:12:59 GMT

Hello Herr Schneider,

Meanwhile i have set-up the Smart grid connection and it is also active (see my screenshot) .

But the heatpump does NOT get triggered to start heating the higher temp in the WarmWater Storage.

I have done the 10 K increase in the Smart Grid menu.

Is there more I need to do ?

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Tue, 10 Sep 2024 11:01:31 GMT

Take pictures of each side of the system overview when you think the heat pump should be heating. You can get there by holding down the ‘?’ button for approx. 4 seconds.

Best regards
Flo

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

HdB_ST_57a — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:45:06 GMT

Hallo Herr Schneider,

I am coming back to you again to follow -up on my question above where I am wondering why my heatpump does not get triggered and does not heat up to the higher temperatures.

See the system overview pictures.

Can zou explain ?

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 12:37:22 GMT

Hello HdB_ST_57a,

can you tell me if the heat pump was running just before you took the pictures? The heat pump cannot reach a hot water temperature of 60°C without the help of an auxiliary heater (electric instantaneous water heater). If the 60°C was generated via the Smart Grid function, the instantaneous water heater can only switch on if it is forced operation (function 4). It will not switch on during on-demand operation (function 3). It must be enabled separately for function 4.

Best regards
Flo

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

HdB_ST_57a — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:08:17 GMT

Hallo Herr Schneider,

Thanks for your quick response.

No, the pump was not running when I took the picture, only function 3, SG ready was activated.

I have no auxiliary heater installed to my knowledge.

I only have the SG ready function activated. Do I understand correctly that in my situation it is not possible to heat up to 60 celcius for warm water via function 3 ?

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:11:09 GMT

Yes, that's right. With function 3, the increase for hot water may only be set high enough for the heat pump to reach the temperature on its own.

Best regards
Flo

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

HdB_ST_57a — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 14:40:18 GMT

Ok, I think I understand: in my situation I can see that my Heatpump circuit does not get higher 62 Celcius and then it stops. As a result my heating water reaches 55 Celcius and my Warm Drinkwater to 49 Celcius.

That is then my max ?

Do you have tips for me so that i can heat even more than this ?

I have still a lot of Solar "Uberschuss" 🙂

Thanks a lot !

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Thu, 28 Nov 2024 08:17:50 GMT

Please let me know the serial number of your heat pump.

Best regards
Flo

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

HdB_ST_57a — Thu, 28 Nov 2024 08:25:00 GMT

Hello Flo, my number is 7733738304591121

Re: Connection of heat pump with PV system

Flo_Schneider — Thu, 28 Nov 2024 09:39:41 GMT

Thanks, please set the following parameters accordingly. Some may be in the second coding level. To do this, press and hold the ‘OK’ and ‘Reset’ buttons in the service level (OK and menu) for approx 4 seconds. Then enter the code 344 254 1331. Important! Incorrect settings at expert level can result in damage to the appliance.

5001: 580
6019: 60
601A: 30
601B: 20

You can then check how high you can get the target hot water temperature.

Best regards
Flo